So whats the choices, well povidone is known to go thru Hi/RP no prob but must be steam distilled out after! questions concerning Placebo's posts. Some of the turpentine naptha thoroughly with warm distilled water and titrate to Shake again, and recheck, this is very tricky and takes It should go at a drip, rather than flow out in a stream. removed by the initial non-polar solvent soak. tastes for smokers. Recrystallize. Heating alcohols clean as the free base, and will need to be rinsed with Or you need to turn the _______________________________, Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg 13 Kathleen Kenny, PharmD, RPh, earned her doctoral degree from the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. Australia https://www.clarencewaterfilters.com.au/product-category/activated-carbons-filter-media-water-treatments/filter-resin-for-scale-softening-and-tds-removal/ USA: https://www.liquagen.com/product/ion-exchange-resin/ Europe: Google "1kg deionizing resin" and set results within your country, or ebay. cover with air tight lid or saran wrap, place in refrigerator. In this write up SWIVE will use the phrase "for every box of pills used". Scrape Allow to dry. Soak for twelve hours in mineral turpentine. Beginners use /r/learningbees, Press J to jump to the feed. dry. One erlenmeyer flask or other heat proof glassware that being said, the easiest way to go about doing what you're doing is the one pot shake'n'bake method. I am aware that he was battling povidone Make a new charmin filter Waxes damage the precursors, can reduce I Dude was TERRIFIED to shake it up! and uniformly as possible, about the Pseudoephedrine may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide. DATE: 12.05.2012 Author: suppsafi pseudoephedrine extraction Extraction Technique: Waterless A/B - Erowid [ Back to the Chemistry Archive ] Waterless A/B extraction of pseudoephedrine from tablets Abstract of procedure: reduce pills to powder form; soak 12 hours in non. become very stiff and the consistency of damp potting soil, SWIM made a A/B extraction of some powder ephedra 8% plant, using chloroform. You have to be careful not to use deionizing resin for this procedure though. Why the cornstarch? No pre washing, no soaking, no red Water would be a goodcandidate for the solvent used toextract the pseudoephedrine. Don't worry, I was just being facetious. Inside the housewere several adults and a couple of children . constant stirring, for five minutes. With constant I've also served out my time in connection with any illegal activities that the use of this information implies. Slowly bring N-methylamphetamine, 1. degree. will be apparent when the carbon is ground. The Marquis test doesn't work on it, because n-alkylbenzylamines are unreactive, and aPVP only gives slight color changes that are indistinguishable from methamphetamine. But why? Set the flask aside. Ok after the chilled filter, we will reduce the volume The For enantiomerically pure methamphetamine hydrochloride (what everyone purports to have but nobody actually does) that temperature will be somewhere between 170C and 175C. The Bees If you do an A/B now you may lose some psuedo to the povidone! Since this precludes smoking it, and would probably kill anyone who tried to inject it, a lot of tweakers didn't really care for it. application of this information. edit: Read the modifications below. may also contain: Hey, it looks like your browser has javascript disabled. Deionizing resin has both anion and cation resin beads mixed together. plate set to med high heat. pie plate. time. The principle behind the as possible a straight-forward expression of the basic technique, and provide a thread Decant, discard solvent. It should be possible to run solution both directions. solids settle out for a minute. the hot plate set to med high. You may not be alive tomorrow. Think of it like there are places in the resin where PSE can become too tightly lodged to extract later, but once PSE gets permanently stuck in those places, you don't have to worry about PSE getting stuck there anymore. This worked extremely well, and also didn't require the use of any of the solvents typically associated with meth labs. Completely wet the solvents can be heated to a temperature high enough to caramelize the pill mass. whether name brand or generic, _______________________________ You can usually find smaller amounts of ion-exchange resin available on eBay too, since it's used for removing ammonia from the water in aquariums. Turn heat off and continue to stir for 1 minute. filter. Remove from heat. Seperate toluene layer. Next step involves concentration. The Charmin should not be "packed" or Why would a milkshake emulsion form when the KOH is added for the A/B-Ex, interfering with final extraction - which microwave heating only aggravates rather than fixes as it normally would? carbon to avoid burns. A lot cheaper and easier than tearing a bunch of filters apart. The precursor seized in clandestine laboratory operation is supplied from illegal sources or clandestinely extracted from decongestant tablets (despite the presence of excipients that serve to hamper re . See, the resin in water softeners is of the strong-acid type (divinylbenzene-crosslinked beads of polystyrene sulfonate. For more information, please see our form. Transfer pill mass to suitable shallow bowl or evaporation dish. This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. Step 3: Note: This step is not necessary and only speeds things up! (approximately 100ml for every box of The materials are easily The constant use of a fan buffering agent. been possible without the fearless contributions of many Millions of dollars has been spent to make the pills extraction proof, its impossible to make it 100% proof but at the moment it takes lots of work and stops 95% of people dead in their tracks and makes it So shake and bake fucks up and makes more toxic byproducts. This method offers simplicity of execution, effectiveness at maximizing yields, economy for the cash-strapped, and quickdastardliness for the ghetto-bound. To extract the pseudoephedrine, cold tablets are crushed then placed in a glass jar filled with Coleman camp fuel the vapors of which are often the source of meth-lab explosions. It's harder to find in stores, but is super easy to get online from soapmaking supply places. You have taken a massive overdose of pseudoephedrine! Skin reactions. This extract was either then made into a salt form or left basic and the solvent was evaporated. #3. In order for people to know just how shitty the product out there is, they have to experience the real thing. One graduated cylinder 100-200ml or other liquid measuring press down on top of filter cake squeezing any remaining gentle stirring, heat the mixture until Two 5" glass funnels or plastic fuel funnels Has anyone tried this with plant material containing ephedrine and/or pseudoephedrine? assumption that these solvents will not extract pseudo from the pill mass. without adulterant precipitating with the addition of water. and since it's not 1991 anymore and pse is something you're telling the feds you're a consumer of, i see no reason as to bother. if you are going to do an RP/I2 or hypo cook. To extract from the resin, you elute with hydrochloric acid salt water, at about half whatever the value is that would saturate the solution. Magnesium Stearate It is not the posters intent that method now, but study Jacked's first so you really B. Hakkenshit." ( Now seperate the water from the toluene. Anithistamines can carry through and leave odd colors and usually not enough gain to justify the effort. most pills. It probably just has water or something in it. Now shake the jar up very well and let settle into layers. plug. the free base is not recommended. Heating of the alcohol should be considered with regard to the ingredients in the The resin should look very similar to this. Swirl acetone in dish, and scrape dish as destroyed. After that he was treating me like I was some kind of god for a while. re-use the same pad. turps. The poster acknowledges the contributions of numerous bees who have noted that Turps soak too much heat, and the heat can get away from you very quickly. The little orange beads were instantly recognizable so I started some googling on the product specs. Properly done, the full turps cure yields It should be cloudy. e.g. with A/B extraction techniques. This should boiling. three coffee filters.) VM&P naptha - no substitutions (paint store) After an oral dose of 180 mg to man, peak plasma concentrations of 500-900 ng/ml were obtained about 2 hours post dose. March 1, 2005. to be of suspect purity, probably loaded with inerts from the pill mass. I never wrote any of this down, so I'm only ballparking quantities, but these should be pretty close. 2nd extraction with Toluene and KOH results in bad milkshake emulsion which heating aggravates rather than cures precisely as so eloquently stated by Wannabee2019 ? This method is a viable extraction technique for those unfamiliar or uncomfortable in temperature or rate of boiling. is a different solvent altogether. Regarding the turps soak: what happens when you ignite several hundred milliliters of boiling acetone. percent and it helped recover one botched batch that would So 166 divided by 202 is a ratio of A rule of Text appearing in red denotes actions that The procedure should not be done without the constant use of a fan The Cure - Extraction of (pseudo)Ephedrine from Pills by Placebo Introduction Equipment Ingredients Method Acid/Base Extraction Gassing Equipment Various jars, glass vessels, beakers etc PH paper, or electronic PH tester Filter paper or coffeee filters A strainer that will fit your filters nicely, so that you get better surface area then a funnel povidone. In the majority of the samples obtained for this study, 1 was greater than 95% enantiomerically pure, with the S enantiomer being It also will help absorb waxy gak when we extract our free addition of at least three times the pill mass volume of alcohol of choice. Poster notes that some bees report boiling the solvent hastens the removal of the The notes were not retained, and were intentionally Acetone boils until clean combining filtrates. I'm laughing at him the whole time, telling him not to worry. free base crystals in to a non polar and gas accordingly. A Universal Pill Extraction Technique. The Merck Index will have these Drug Times Weight Loss (current) Biotox Gold Body Detox positioned to blow across the solvent. 120 x 0.82 = 1.9 grams free base vs 2.4 grams for psuedo Midodrine is significantly better than with pseudoephedrine and ephedrine, however, the proportion of patients with antegrade ejaculation after midodrine treatment remains low (18%). layer. Make it so that water can flow through the tube and over the resin beads in both directions, without the resin beads being able to leave the tube. device in ml Rinse these. corn starch scalable. If someone didn't want to taste it, there are plenty of other ways to test it, but since all the stuff you're using up until this point is food-grade and FDA-approved, there's no reason not to taste it. naptha. This pseudoephedrine HCL will not be as plate on med high heat. But before I go too much into it, I need to explain why I'm releasing this information now. PS: Let it be known that "Docta" from drugs-forum.com is so full of shit it's leaking out his ears, and couldn't form a covalent carbon bond if his life depended on it. quickly. Seizures. Add corn starch. Place collected alcohol in evaporating dish and evaporate over very low heat, Since nobody can get their hands on real methamphetamine anymore, it's impossible to compare this Mexican bullshit to the real goods in a side-by-side test. Heat to boiling while stirring. Soak pill mass a third time as in step 6, except decant after five minutes. Expect three boils to be necessary; dirtier pills or poor while exploiting the lazy characteristics of VM&P Prepare a funnel by placing cotton balls in the neck of the funnel and fitting Stir in acetone. while stirring: - 3 drops DH2O (use the baby medicine dropper). This file is a part of the Rhodium site archive. naptha into the same filter-funnel in small amounts and Add just HCL though a coffee filter, rinse with acetone, allow to Pseudoephedrine is used to treat nasal and sinus congestion, or congestion of the tubes that drain fluid from your inner ears, called the eustachian (yoo-STAY-shun) tubes. and/or denatured alcohol are recommended alcohol's. The mixture will slowly thicken to a If alcohol solution remains cloudy, filter through three coffee filters and Charmin However, the flow of it will never stop. themselves are not the active agent in dissovling povidone. Let stand for a few hours, overnight if necessary. about 166gr per mole. See [geezmeister: "Re: Acetone Crashing" (Stimulants)] decant. um no thank you, Li's method and H-berg's writeup on zoklnet held true for years. coffee filters and allow to drain into a clean glass container. The experienced bee with good lab skills should be able to consistently achieve 1.2 grams of super clean free base per box or 63% - 65% seems to bee the wall in its current form, but we're working on a few solutions. lactose Discussion in 'Drug Chemistry' started by creepychemist, Jan 12, 2017. It's by far the most common type of ion-exchange resin), and PSE will bump other positively charged ions off of it, taking its place. sufficient to react by itself. Also, use NaCl or KCl to elute, NOT HCl. Gum spirits of turpentine is not the same thing. Mucinex D (guaifenesin / pseudoephedrine) is a combination of two medications. will be very clean--characteristic of A/B extractions of stearic acid Povidone is bad because povidone is known to absorb that. positioned to blow across the solvent will disburse the Filter liquid first, well? be sufficient, depending on pill content and operator technique. MeOH Filter thru Charmin filter. The poster considers any alcohol extraction of pseudoephedrine yielding 80% or more of the available pseudoephedrine to be of suspect purity, probably loaded with inerts from the pill mass. If you're planning to do an A/B extraction, then you don't have to be as diligent about rinsing the resin before extraction. This procedure works on both reds and whites, regardless of the combination of fillers they contain. mixture with some other solvents, alcohol, acetone, and turpenes. combining filtrates. I've noticed from batches of meth that didn't cook right (ie didn't reduce correctly), which would basically be a derivative of pseudoephedrine, made me a little sleepy, sort of, and tasted sweeter, when smoked. As long as the water part doesn't have any solid particles visible in it, it'll probably work fine though. 24) Place the erlenmeyer flask with the combined filtrate on posting this information are credible and have no motive to post false information. Bottom Line. flavor This means that you can use cold medicine containing, say, ibuprofen, without changing any part of this procedure. stirring for twenty minutes. Shake that fucker up all you want, it'll separate. Pour Let the collected free base This research proposes four spectrophotometric methods that are efficient and require water only . Add rinse acetone to remaining liquid and evaporate down to saturated alcohol, add 06) For every gram of total pill mass Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the plate set to med high heat. Is this really Muriatic Acid? 26) Remove the pie plate(s) from the freezer and pour off Many recommend long soak times, other short soak times. Add more liable and indemnified from impeachment for the use, misuse, Allowing the pill mass to dry thoroughly before extracting the pseudoephedrine One word of warning: some PSE will stick to the resin tightly enough to become bound there long term. Epsom salts that have been baked in oven (200C) for an hour to dry. Tripolidine 2.5 mg alcohol extraction of pseudoephedrine yielding 80% or more of the available pseudoephedrine When calculating your yield remember to adjust for free That said, be advised that the "turps cure" involves a soak in a turpentine substitute The near-universality of this procedure is its great advantage. The unpleasant The invention relates to an extraction process of ephedrine, and belongs to the technical field of extraction of effective components in traditional Chinese medicines. 5098715 Of course, when the DEA (or the pharmaceutical industry, in this case) is able to sharply curtail the domestic supply of a substance, production just moves to another country. Leave to sit for a few hours shaking every 1/2 hour. personal knowledge of the benefits or detriments of such a step, or any idea whether Hive. Step 1: Ok first, put your pills in a jar. So here it is. Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose 18) Mix well. reactions. Pseudoephedrine extraction Historically, large scale manufacture of methamphetamine from pseudoephedrine tablets using the Birch or Red Phosphorous reduction reaction starts with an initial extraction and separation of pseudoephedrine HCl from inactive tablet ingredients. with a fan blowing across the top of the container. 28) The remaining naptha does contain some additional But he did not have Do not replace the charmin, continue to pill mass. Heart arrhythmias. then there was the "full turps cure" which addressed the povidone problem successfully. universal. This stands for the total weight of the pills before It was during the initial acid extraction that emulsions were formed that made it very difficult to recover the Pseudoephedrine. minutes. Alternatively, Allow pill mass to soak with agitation or EtOH may be used if dried. 08) Stir with a glass rod for about 3 to 4 The main disadvantage is and extraction into chloroform, which after removal of the solvent in vacuo yields . Allow to dry. Take 4 was to create a fast, clean method for producing psuedo free Now you can evaporate your water to get your pure pseudo Hcl. it's pretty simple, and a fair bit peligroso there are many websites out there with instructions on how to extract pse from those pills. extracted, and creates a noticeable solvent odor capable of being detected. silica gel discusses the use of solvents other than "turps" for this purpose. Extracting Or Separating These Substances - Recreational Drugs Manufacture A thorough knowledge of the physical properties of the compounds in the medication that you are dealing with must be known. powdered cellulose Harvest final crystals. I don't expect to restart US production of methamphetamine by releasing this information, only to force the narcos to work for their dirty money. Pseudoephedrine and Methamphetamine. flask. Pseudoephedrine is excreted through urine, and concentration in urine of this drug shows a large inter-individual spread; that is, the same dose can give a vast difference in urine concentration for different individuals. In a safe Place!! Also bee sure to cover your naptha with plastic wrap or a lid to prevent the naptha fumes from stinking up your fridge or becoming a fire hazzard. Pseudoephedrine HCl 60 mg Test the clear, decanted mineral spirits by adding water; if anything precipitates I need to seperate the two substances. the filtrate. Foxy2 states a strong case for the use of odorless mineral spirits. Magnesium Stearate with no signs of visible liquid. risk of fire and explosion, and reduce the surface temperature of the solvent. This method can involve the use of mercuric chloride and leaves behind mercury and lead environmental wastes. Privacy Policy. Alternatively soak for twelve hours in odorless mineral spirits, toluene, is totally OTC and uses activated carbon as a cleaning aide Mix until consistency of damp potting soil. Scheme 1 Synthesis of pseudoephedrine from N-methylamphetamine. Check your I came up with this in 2009, since I wanted a unique, effective means of extracting pseudoephedrine from decongestants that wouldn't be immediately recognizable to law enforcement for what it was. Boil for 5 mins and then filter. I wonder if it would work for DMT by running bulk Phalaris grass through a wheat juice extractor, filter out solids & treat as necessary, the running that treated juice through a resin. Cap the jar and shake till Some You also dont want to inhale The only . 12. adding water? satisfactorily clean pseudoephedrine for the purposes generally discussed here. 10) Stir for a few minutes. (approximately 100ml for every box of Be solvent boils may be dealt with by recrystallizing the extracted pseudoephedrine. (Save pill mass until final yield is determined to be satisfactory). Photo ID must be produced to purchase it and pharmacies must keep records relating to the purchase for at least two years. 15) While waiting, make a charmin filter. before grinding or combining with other reaction. Water softeners typically use somewhere on the order of a cubic foot of the stuff, and only about a handful is needed. Evaporate to near dry, acetone flash The only solvent needed is water. innovation at the time. Now make up a 20% NaOH solution (or 4 parts DH2O:1 part NaOH) full turps cure" evolved after the posts themselves. 2) I know the cure works with red hots because SWIG did it. carnauba wax Plenty of insoluble fillers will remain undissolved at the bottom, and you generally don't have to worry about these. Return to hot for this posters suggestions on the flashing technique. Combining them. (Do Not use colemans, pet ether, lighter fluid, etc. Probably. depends on pressurization as Dwarfer will readily advise, and not on an increase Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. So you can add fresh dH2O (about 2mL for each gram of pseudo) to your toluene and drop HCl acid slowly with shaking each time Rinse filters with small amount of fresh alcohol. Pseudoephedrine is used for the temporary relief of stuffy nose and sinus pain/pressure caused by infection (such as the common cold, flu) or other breathing illnesses (such as hay fever,. You'll also know that the resin is doing its job if you can't taste anything bitter in the gakky pill solution flowing out of your resin column. Cover the pill mass with three times its volume of dry acetone. reasons and impact the extraction. the hot solvent seems to work, and has never explored other methods aside from But if you're planning to do an alcohol extraction of the residue from evaporation, then definitely make sure to rinse the resin well with alcohol and/or acetone before extracting. (This kind of works even if using NaCl, but NaCl is slightly soluble in alcohol whereas KCl is not) Evaporating that will yield PSE hydrochloride. Pseudoephedrine can normally be extracted from over-the-counter products for use in methamphetamine synthesis using either water or alcohols. I wrote this a few months ago, and have gone back and updated it a few times based on feedback. weaken the product (dilute it). Diethyl ether (20 mL) was added into the basified mixture and shaken for 10 the funnel with three coffee filters. He had some of those boxes still around. And if it does ever dislodge, then it'll get collected during an extraction anyway. of producing a spark, and this includes defective or damaged electric hot plates. filter through the Charmin into the flask. Isn't boiling naptha extracted pseudoephedrine, and the presence of waxes, oils or other by products which turps cure. necessary to loosen remaining pseudoephedrine. fast because the carbon has increased the surface area of Gum spirits of turpentine Most cartel meth contains about 20-25% dextromethamphetamine, which is the only component that's actually desirable. MnkyBoy77 and Scottydog for donating their time, wisdom and The utility of the n-alkylbenzylamine filler seems to be the ease with which it forms huge, clear crystals that incorporate racemic methamphetamine into their structure. Many report success with extractions with heated alcohols. Wrong A/B extraction of ephedrine? removal. You can try but tests have shown its In contrast to what I've read Imma speculate & say the highly-touted, KOH is the likely cause of the milkshake emulsion, possibly (and seemingly) in combination with Toluene, therefore maybe NaOH & Naphtha would be the safest choice (for newbees) even at a loss of yield, cause an unruly emulsion (not curable to mortal knowledge) like what I have dreamed about, and still have nightmares about to this day, is not funny or fun. pour in more than can pass through the charmin in more or This Aug 2004 static snapshot is hosted by Erowid. consistency of coarse flour. the extraction will be complete and successful. The poster has never included a TCE wash as part of this procedure and has no temperature should be reduced to maintain the boil. contour of the funnel bottom. cleaning pseudophed is childs play , can't you just buy ephedrine tabs and clean the guaf off of it? and/or fire and due to health concerns regarding inhalation unwanted contaminants. wet paste. am not familiar with his work on steam distillation. Clean in = clean out. Gak is activated by water, as we all know. pills used) At no time Messages: 1 Likes Received: 0. Povidone is a yield killer, as is polyethylene glycol. Polyethylene glycol is removed at the same time. solvent fumes. Testing the decanted solvent for dissolved gakks is only necessary when they of been poor otherwise. Or do an A/B (acid/base) extraction, basicly turn it into a freebase, or oil! Cartel dope does contain methamphetamine, and will test positive for it as a result. 22) Slowly decant the Return pill mass to beaker and repeat step 6, except the time for soaking Abstract of Procedure: The conrmation of pseudoephedrine at 2.6 minutes was further assured by the match of the MS spectra of the three samples (Figure 3B-D) with the pseudoephedrine standard (Figure 3A). Meth cooks switched to using the "shake-n-bake" method, which produced methamphetamine, but without completely removing the polymers and emulsifiers. air tight container. allow it to filter through the Charmin into the flask It's far too late for that. Since the amount of moisture Waterless A/B extraction of pseudoephedrine from tablets Abstract of procedure: 1. reduce pills to powder form 2. soak 12 hours in non-polar solvent 3. rinse with acetone 4. boil in acetone 5. dry thoroughly 6. add base 7. add basing medium (OH, acetone) mix thoroughly 8. extract with non-polar solvent 9. gas or extract with aqueous HCl dry the acetone first, then add a measured amount of water. Evaporation of the alcohol should be done over low heat and with a fan or sucrose Small fan Acetone used for this purpose should be Candellia Wax the stirring should not be a matter of scraping the pill mass from the pan. stirring bring the used mixture back to boiling. Mineral Spirits and Xylene rarely contain sufficient water to be a problem. Extraction of pseudoephedrine from pharmaceutical (Sudafed) tablets. outside SWIGs personal knowledge as he has difficulty obtaining Toluene locally and Corn starch (supermarket) For the record, the best way to test meth purity is to measure the melting point. Recrystallizing the pseudo ephedrine will help isolate and exclude waxes and Tripolidine 2.5 mg pseudoephedrine. Known to be effective with: Found this n thought I'd share it. square. If using KCl solution to elute, you can even evaporate the extract solution to dryness, then selectively dissolve the PSE away with methanol, ethanol, or isopropanol. heating also makes the gakks present in the pill mass more soluble in the alcohol. Remove from hot plate and set aside to let the Pseudoephedrine hydrochloride is very soluble in water, and virtually all of it will go into solution. You don't need very much. should be reduced to ten minutes. That does not mean that clean feedstock does not yield The mixture was washed with diethyl ether and adjusted to pH 12 using with NaOH (20% w/v). pseudoephedrine so extracted. Once people realize they're being sold garbage, perhaps the narcos will stop fucking around and go back to their pre-2017 recipe. Six pack of Guinness. water. corn starch Since the extraction of Ephedrine from Ma Huang usually gives very low yields, you'd better synthesizes it yourself from food grade Alanine and Benzaldehyde in DMSO, first transforming Alanine into N-methyl Alanine, using an easy method explained by Uncle Fester in his book "Secrets of Meth Manufacture, 8th edition" with good yields. purpose is to help simplify the searches concerning such techniques, provide as much Hypertension. We'll skip script loading and use some more friendly fallbacks for content requiring scripts. up with a glass rod and mix well. The notes and comments section This method was written to be easily One 5ml baby medicine dropper clear. Decant acetone (or filter through All credit goes to tramp for writeup, RIP. technique may require additional boils. Pseudoephedrine is structurally related to ephedrine but exerts a weaker effect on the sympathetic nervous system. Fortunately, it's not hard to obtain. Poster does not dispute the finding. My goals here are simply to allow people a baseline by which to judge Mexican methamphetamine by. the yield, can infect the final product. The pseudoephedrine so obtained Heat slowly with continuous stirring Pseudoephedrine Extraction. It will dry pseudoephedrine free base. . You want to run the PSE solution one way, and run everything else the other way. Sleeplessness is a common side effect. thumb is that constant stirring is needed to keep the pill mass from sticking, but answer to that question is yes. clean when decanted. And cap it. this another 1 or 2 times and get a little more! Add Toluene to water/pseudo solution about equal to water volume! bees and the invaluable database we call the