NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON CYLINDER. I was told a few years back that the other gun makers in Italy approached them and requested that they work harder on the craftsmanship as they were giving the Italian gun makers a bad name. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & Safety pins, safety notches, po-TAY-tow, po-TOT-owe. Eventually, the design inspired the 1875 Remington, a true metallic cartridge revolver, but one that clearly shows the influences from the 1858. They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. Of course it is one of the old ones which may be the reason. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. WW II RIBBON USS SAN MARCOS LSD-25 NAVY*EMBROIDERED POLO SHIRT/SWEAT/JACKET. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Western Pennsylvania, Keystone of Freedom, CAS, Fine Wood Working, Toggle Link Rifle Tuner , SA Tuner, Casting, Reloading, Firing Black Powder guns While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. The owner was very knowledgeable about his business. I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. Barrel: 12 inch His design has been in constant use since before the Civil War. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. Recently heard a story about ASM, that they moved out of the big city to a smaller town in the country. Anyone know of a cylinder made for it? My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. ARMI SAN MARCO .45 LC Hartford Model Box Papers Manual Spring, Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco, Armi San Marco dragoon pistol grips pearl / gold leaf plastic, Armi San Marco Hawkeye/Ridgerunner Reference copy single page 7.5x11Diagram, SAN MARCO - ROAD BIKE - SADDLE - ROLLS - GOLD RAILS, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. Is that what i just shot down with my 5 1/2 inch 1858? I am a bit of a traditionalist so I have 50-50 lard-beeswax that I put on cylinder after loading; cleaning is easy with hot water and Ballistol. I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. Big thump, big cloud, and I could see the huge rounds hitting the berm when I was spotting through binoculars. No feeder, but a scoped .243 at 75 yards (distance to the tree line) no one calls it hunting. I've been told these ASM revolvers' parts interchange with Colt 1st generation. It blew LaHood through a windowyumm. It isnt the first C&B Revolver Ive bought, but the first one belongs to my son and he has it. Youll love it! .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & Tsk tsk. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. For effective ignition, a ball has to fit tightly in the cylinder, and consequently a bit is shaved off when loading. Black Powder Revolver Manual. Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). .44 Cal percussion. I noticed in the latest Taylors catalog that they are also using the name Armi in, front of the Chiappa name in that catalog. I load as follows: The wish list gets longer, but the disposable income remains the same. The Other Type of Percussion Revolver obtainable on to-days Market, Copies of the Colt Design, are by comparison A very poor second. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. I am sure it will do for deer. Swapping barrels can involve fitting the arbor to the barrel sometimes. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. The bad guy carries a Peacemaker (a bit earlier than its actual appearance, but what the hell, it aint a documentary) (Said to have claimed his last victem by shooting him twice, skinning him and nailing his hid on the livery stable door! He has a bee in his bonnet, that he is the ONLY person in the world who knows how to correctly clean black Powder revolvers. 1876 Rifle Manual. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. If the shooter was a little rough with the gun, and dropped the hammer into the Half Cock Notch, the tip of the trigger could break off, radically altering the sight picture. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. The lesson is that if you shoot a black powder rifle dont think you know how to clean this pistol. However, I am 99% sure this is an Armi San Marco because my Armi San Marco cylinders cycle, time and lock perfectly in this pistol and Bought both of mine mail order from Cabelas. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. LaHood was put down by the miner the Preacher had been helping using a buffalo gun at about 5 yards. For powder loads, the .36s usually run 15-20 grains (that is by volume, not by weightso you MUST use a measure), while most loads for .44s that Ive seen (all my guns are .36) are 25 to (max) 35 grains. Colt .36 with 21 grains. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) The lead ring around the chamber seems really tight. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. First load powder, then press ball. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. I grew up watching all of the old western movies on TBS. I havent shot black powder in a long time. She just a rolls out inna ya hand! Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. About 200 ft-lbs Energy It has a central shotgun barrel (16 gauge? First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. Grips show some 36 Caliber; 90% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Navy Arms Model 1861 Navy six shot .36 caliber black powder revolver, made by Uberti. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. View more auctions here. He then shoots it. SOLD Please click Accept Cookies to continue to use the site. I loaded it to Piettas speck of 15 grains, and the ball didnt make it past the forcing cone. It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. 36 BP; excellent bore, excellent stock, 9.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Italy. gens. Our governor says that they can melt when shot I have a few black powder guns I have hunted with them for years and have yet seen one melt down .But the Local store here wont order one for you. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. (#% or 40 grains.) A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Once a year I strip them right down to the last screw, wipe the mixture of oil and black powder residue off them,(Never found any rust!) Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. There was no penetration, but the deer died where I hit it. And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! Despite my kill, in my opinion, its not strong enough but fun as a backup which is why I used it. In the beginning, I had a pair of ASM Colt clones. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52778, A. Uberti & C. Cattleman 1873 even the center fire 45-70 and the 45 colt cowboy rounds are NOT considered a fire arm, due to the FACT that they use slower burning black powder to fire them! I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Ramrod present. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! I send one of their revolvers back after opening it. Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. THE .44 Spec. Im 66 years old and I have been wanting to get a 1858black powder for a while now but because I live in Illinois I cant get no one to order me one . View more auctions here. An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. The front sight was okay, except that it was frequently made of brass, wich when polished by the inside of a holster, tended to reflect glare into the shooters eyes, but the rear sight was a crude notch, filed roughly into the tip of the hammer! Lightning Manual. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. 5.5" barrel in .45 Colt. They moved the factory from where all the other factories are to a more remote area and some of the workers didn't want to leave their home so they lost a lot of expertise. They fit just about any cap and ball firearm. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Jim, you mentioned the Ruger Old Army , 44 cal. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated. Unless the revolvers were actualy made before Jan 1. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). Left grip has a chip of wood missing at the pin on the back edge. Theyll NEVER rust this way. It is meat harvesting, pure and simple. A great design of a pistol. I have an ASM Colt clone. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. the 1858 is Lee van Cleefs gun in Good, bad and the ugly. Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling. Something went wrong. Customer Service. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. The .44 ball over 35 grains is enough to kill a horse. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. That's your build date. Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. FOOD, After that, the law is quite simple, though apparently foolish. Fingers on triggers, especially that Civil War vet. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 This article makes me want to buy more guns! Plain walnut grips. Thats meat harvesting and theres nothing wrong with it. 10s will probably be best. THE BORE IS MIRROR .45 Colt; 98% blue, mint bore, near mint grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1871 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN NEAR NEW CONDITION. Cimarron Thunderer and Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Rust and pitting on metal. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. Armi San Marco and Armi Sport now Chiappa are two different companies. Put the caps in the back and shoot. 1860 Henry Manual. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. 1899. Reenacting: CW & IW This gun was thoroughly rebuilt by Oglesby & Oglesby and is a fine revolver having had the cylinder and hammer re-hardened, and wire springs installed, including the Ruger style coil handspring and plunger. DO use a stout load. I called VTI. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL That's your build date. It is a very pretty gun with a 24 octogon barrel and a case hardened receiver. THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. Gauge: 44 percussion. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Of course, I didn't run them like the hot shoes. The definition includes any replica of an antique firearm if it is not designed or redesigned for usingrimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or uses rimfire or conventional centerfire ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States, and which is not readily available in ordinary channels of commercial trade. And you thought the New York reload was a modern invention? I have a spare cylinder in the LC so I can keep shooting just by swapping the cylinders. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. 1873 Single Action Manual. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH SHARP RIFLING. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. BORE IS FAIR. Just make sure that you compress the powder with the ball when you press it into the cylinder. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. Great article. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. Barrel: 12 inch I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. It was stiff, clunky, and in the words of a couple of different pards, "painful to watch" me trying to use it. Exc condition, appears unfired. Remington. Thanks. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. That is true. thereof. I have three Sheriffs Models, and consider them SO GOOD, I carry one every day for Self-Defense! FINISH SHOWS MODERATE HANDLING WEAR WITH MODERATE WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it. In the case of a revolver it isnt nearly as serious as making a machine gun, obviously, but still illegal, ATF requires any receiver that takes modern manufacture ammunition to be given a serial number and registered, and must be someone who is legally able to alter and build firearms under state and fed law. Friends (very few of them) are welcome to spend the night on the sofa, be on the back porch at sunrise, and harvest a doe with his thanks. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. Today you can quickly convert your own Remington 1858, without first paying off some big corporation, by merely dropping in a cartridge conversion cylinder two popular versions are the Taylors R&D and Kirst conversions. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. Youre reloaded. Customer Service. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Ive been thinking of getting one since I recently watched Pale Rider. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. He carried a nickel plated 8 Remington 1858 and a peacemaker. Colonel in Texas Army. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Best of all its FREE, and in abundant supply in most homes!!! The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. 44 BP; fair bore, good stock, 4'' barrel, Made in Spain. 921(a)(3), (a)(16). Didn't Colt threaten to sue ASM because of they're use of a "pony" on the grip? Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. The ball is further squeezed when it enters the forcing cone. I had the same problem. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . Remington with 40 grains. Gauge: 44 percussion. Parts are still available on a limited basis from VTI. RO11, Cowboy Mounted Shooting, Hunting and Cowboy Action Shooting, Parts are still available on a limited basis from. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. The 1858 Remington-Beals got the nod because of the top strap (previous buy didnt, Navy in .36) and it came with an extra cylinder. By Any help would be appreciated. They are cheaper to buy, but the first time you put any Hot Loads through one, the Soft Brass Frame will stretch, and youll just have a thing that LOOKS like a gun, but all you can do with it is hang it on the Living Room Wall!!!! WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. My first BP was a 1861 Colt Navy in .36. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester This version features improved accuracy. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996